At level 20 the scrolls Nenio reads have a base Caster Level of 20, add 5 from those items and it's 25. ago. Making enemies with impossibly high AC, saves, and immune to everything is the laziest way to make a "hard" encounter. Lmaoboat • 2 yr. Mage armor among them. Learn how to build your Nenio into a great buffer, debuffer and of. Many hours were spent poring over dialog drafts, wondering why I couldn't get characters to sit in. There are better characters for raw damage, i just don't understand this obsession people have with DPS. Storyteller makes this from "melted shard of. The games are similar to classic RPG games such as Baldur's Gate and Neverwinter Nights. Companion Builds for Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous features the suggested builds for all possible companions in Pathfinder: WoTR. wotr: making Ember more effective. Mechanically Nenio is the better one, since it has full spellcasting, and thus more utility. Animal - allows you to get a pet. Nenio is good for dispel especially if you keep them scroll master to 10, and then still a caster (loremaster can be a solid choice). I undesteand metamagic and i plan to use it. Tried resting to wait them out didn't make a difference. It's +7d6+5. What does him helping you be stronger actually do? I'm going to keep things as vague as possible to avoid spoilers. also, spends the trics movement, not his, so full attack rounds all the time. Nenio was only one alive against Wintersun bug boss with help of spawned shadow demon). Constant unavoidable damage + resistance/immunity to my main sources of damage (martial characters) is a pain. The biggest difference between kingmaker and wotr is the value of stinking cloud, it was amazing in kingmaker but in wotr it's a lot worse because a lot more enemies are immune to it. Cast Invisibility on your trap disarmer and have. Funny /. DC caster - uses save-or-else spells, pumps spell DC, does not care in the slightest about attack rolls and point blank shot. Nenio and Ember appear to be quite one-dimensional, while after act 4 when Cam finds out the spirit desires her father's blood, she becomes more than just a killing obsessive maniac, she has her struggles against the spirit's blood thirst for her father, on the other hand, Ember is all about I can make them good, and Nenio "science" as always. Learn how to build your Nenio into a great buffer, debuffer and of course how to demolish even Demon Lords with. We could get some summoning, but it would cut into the Difficulty Class. e Draven's hat + Belt of demonic shadow; the latter is overpowered at this level, . But these games don’t work that way. I had to look online for the solutions. Not much is immune to level drain. Complaint-Efficient • 2 days ago. 0k. There is plenty of discussion on this elsewhere. Unless I'm missing some obvious way to. Yes, her quest is related to the Nameless Ruins. Keep in mind that casters will generally feel like they aren't doing a lot in 1-10. Oct 31, 2021 @ 9:21pm The respec mod gives back scrolls if you want to use that instead. This means it does not increase DC, but it does increase number of d6, number of round/level or minutes/level, or anything the description says /x*level. In Nexus caves. Should gain spell progression at the first level of Loremaster but Nenio did not. IMO this is the best build for nenio. 2 Update, along with The Lord of Nothing DLC. She has the occasional decent joke but overall she is annoying. Nenio was only one alive against Wintersun bug boss with help of spawned shadow demon). getting the absolute most combat and mechanics value out of the character. haplok. Trickster will probably do the most damage but is pretty meh story wise. Ideal Race: Kitsune, Half-Elf. Killing an enemy with a critical hit can cause them to explode violently into bloody chunks, and the bigger the enemy is the bigger they explode. "I am the main direction on the planet, symbol of false freedom". I looked it up, and found that the permanent effect. Arcane Rider I hear is a very strong class. Dec 10, 2021 @ 8:55am. You need to collect 4 masks to solve the puzzle: Circle Mask (Found in Ivory Sanctum), Summit Mask (Found in Pulura’s Fall, need to solve the puzzle to unlock the chamber), Darkness Mask (Found in Heart of Mystery), Question Mask (Found in Ineluctable Prison, in the room with Baphomet’s Chosen). Solo play is a lot less viable, enjoyable, and powerful compared to BG2. Last edited by corisai ; Dec 19, 2021 @ 2:45am. Morthra • 1 mo. Even though she is a scientist in the game, she is one hell of a wizard who can aid you in your journey. I hate them so much. - SS 10 / Eccelesitheurge 3 / MT 7: good with greater enduring spells, comes at acceptable cost to wizard power. You put around 7-9 levels in their base class. e Draven's hat + Belt of demonic shadow; the latter is overpowered at this level, . ago. Also, I thought Daeran could be a bard if I wanted from make him a dex off-tank sort of character. So I've just made it to the Abyss, and at the Battlebliss Arena there's a healer who offers to make my MC or Nenio 'stronger'. I found it pretty silly that the only act 1 companion that came with brew potions was also the only only one who couldn't cast spells. Gwerm Family Secrets. 1, DC can be stacked in a strange way by using Expanded Arsenal (Mythic). Subscribe: finally here! As promised we will start with t. Completing it in RTWP seems damn near impossible, and even in TB, it took 44 rounds and nearly every spell, bard song, and relevant scroll at my disposal to make it through. But in order to do so, certain conditions must be met such as your character's gender, as well as choosing certain. Nenio: Wizard 20 (shuts down a lot of fights on her turn with Weird). She walks away. Camellia is a jerk but I'm hoping to find out her secret. Builds on this page are largely focused on min maxing (i. 8. Sosiel isn't an optimal battle Cleric, but he's "close enough" in a pinch and fills the role just fine. That way you don’t even have to keep dispel memorized, you can just cast from scrolls with full DC. Finally, I though Daeran as a mystic theurge could generally just provide more. It gets Pounce and 5 full-power natural attacks that each deal 1. That makes me wonder who's killed the most people in their backstory. Goes into support more so than damage. So you can intentionally make scrolls weaker, and Nenio will still cast them at full strength. steampowered. Do note that your MC can also be a wizard. Return to the Market Square and just ahead from the entrance will be a single Crusader. Join. A party with 5 well built mercenaries that are a Wizard, a Cleric, a Bard, a Paladin and Kineticist without any kind of class dips, prestige classes or anything like that can compliment any MC of any mythic path and easily beat Unfair. Almost all of the strong enemies in WOTR come prebuffed to a ridiculous extent and it's essential to dispel those abilities in order to do any decent damage. They are not Monk weapons. For her Clothing, you can switch between the Silver Robe and Shirt of Blazing Fighter. 5 x STR with no -5 penalty. For WotR, I expect that a dedicated cleric will be a useful convenience, but far from a necessity. Making your first face-to-face meeting a joke. In Pathfinder Wrath Of The Righteous, you will meet Nenio who will be quizzing you on 3 questions about the Lore that you can answer correctly to impress her and earn the Experience reward. getting the absolute most combat and mechanics value out of the characters so they can be. for that reason alone it's worth it from a min-max pov. Kitsune Information. Level up companions. You can speed up movement on the world map ("game speed"). Camcam is the tank, pretty easy just buff her up and send her into the fray. General consensus is that using healing spell is basically wasted action economy. The issue fixed in version 1. like, no shit. Nenio is an illusionist and there's plenty of gear to increase the DC of illusion spells, so this is a common choice. Which mean the earliest you can apply your sneak attack dice to your fire balls is char lvl 14. Aeon is extremely strong in the endgame (inevitable excess) due to very powerful AoE dispel (everyone and their dog comes prebuffed in the DLC). Nenio can also be repulsive, sometimes making things a little tense. Always a solid choice. [deleted] • 2 yr. Experiencing the Bliss walkthrough - Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous. Scrolls in Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous features independent Spells that have been scribed into written parchments, thereby allowing characters to cast them without occupying a spell slot. He's one of the special companions in the game that's locked behind a certain Mythic Path. The line between fascination and obsession cannot be seen up close, only from a distance. Dispel magic is probably the most underrated powerful ability in the game. In short Nenio is a mistake. I'm in act 4 and this is getting ridiculous. Yeah, he's not really that evil. [WoTR] drezen *spoilers* First of all, holy shit this battle was intense and awesome. A Neutral or Evil Wizard in the Pathfinder setting would need a more detailed backstory, which Nenio has but it isn't particularly well-executed. Lore (Nature) Knowledge (Arcana) Scroll Savant is a sub- class in Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous. I've been playing WotR for a little while now, and I haven't got too far into it yet so please don't spoil anything about the story. Northeast: hit the switch to partially unlock the door in the center of the map. ago. Assuming you do take Ember, Arue, Daeran, Regill, then Nenio is a great 5th for banter/story and to round out your party. If you kill him, you find out that the mask Wirlong was wearing. Ember I really haven't used much. (tric can go to regill, greybor, or lann/arue as well. 3kkosphere. Lann's fun if he doesn't start his whole "you've never had to make hard decisions" shtick. Buffing alone does not. How you build a Paladin will depend on how you wish to play one. Despite an irrepressible penchant for deception, kitsune prize loyalty and make true. I am a creature of her making, and, until recently, I was her creature in every way. Greybor would work better as a character if he was actually an OP companion, like Aru or Camilla. In Alushinyrra, you can pay to get your main character or Nenio a "demongraft" which gives +2 to a lot of things but also makes it so you go frenzy if you go under 20% HP. Nenio Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous Companion Build Guide, I’m going to break down the best Attributes, Skills, Feats, Spells, Mythic Path and Equipment you should take for Nenio to deal effective. Grease and Web (especially selective!) can win fights. There are so so many ways to make enemies more vulnerable to getting hit and so many ways to make ourselves hit more. But there really isn't any instructions on how to add custom portraits so I thought I would mention how for folks that are new to the game. Seem the Wizard gets his lvl 2 spells earlier than all other classes at class lvl 3. Talk to Nenio who will be in a nihilistic mood. You slay so many demons you become one, etc. Things like Phantasmal Putrefaction, Mass Hold Person, Fireball etc: the ones you actually see enemy spell casters use won't trigger it. Always make sure to memorize 1-2 of these everytime you get a new spell level unlocked when levelling. Therefore if you are doing a trickster or a demon run you can collect all the crystals without doing Nenio’s quest. scumbagtrillionaire • Inquisitor • 2 yr. Complaint-Efficient • 2 days ago. September 4, 2021, Reiku , 0 Nenio Build Pathfinder Wrath of the Righteous Guide – In this Nenio Build Guide, I’m going to break down the best Attributes, Skills, Feats, Spells,. You can hang onto scrolls of spells like divine favor, and she can buff herself at her own caster level with these scrolls after level 10. She has the occasional decent joke but overall she is annoying. #6. Demonslayer is a better archetype and makes sense for the lovely succubus, and eldritch archer adds magic, weapon buffs, and ranged spellstrike for some extra ranged punch. I said that. Grenadier gets little that is truly unique and mostlly represents extra free feats / discoveries compared to baseline. You can use the Respec mod to turn any Companion into whatever you want. So if you have a +6 weapon, you have to soul match a +6 or higher weapon to it to get it to +7. It turns out that selective Grease early game and 60DC overwhelming presence. < > Illusion ends the game extremely strong, but everything ends the game extremely strong if you know what you're doing. Dispel magic is probably the most underrated powerful ability in the game. But in order to do so, certain conditions must be met such as your character's gender, as well as. simoan_blarke • 2 yr. ago. You can respec companion but they are locked into feats /class level they had when you meet them. Characters in WotR aren't *bad*(except Nenio) but they aren't good. And since you only mention 5 party members, you either missed getting him (he is in the basement of the tavern) or you are running a smaller party for some reason. Mounts that trip are super strong and these do that automatically. I don't find her endearing at all. From what I read it's the campaign or city manager part I think for both games that's too big a river to cross. Take bully background for them. I feel there are 2 ways to go about designing puzzles. Aivu is the best option in this category. Her specialist school is illusion and opposition schools are abjuration and necromancy. However wotr is the best traditional rpg that reminds me of bg1,2 and icewind Dale that I played. Well you get extra mileage out of str, but yeah, you'd need to spec for it to do anything useful. In chapter 1&2 I like Nenio making Haste scrolls that Wolfjit can cast as a way to get Haste in party without taking Nenio. Nenio's reaction truly disappoints me, I mean, shouldn't you be excited that the experiment was going towards something unprecedented?. This mod adds new dialogue options for companions and NPCs. make sure Nenio has haste, heroism, blur, etc, and your divine casters have bless, prayer, etc). Scroll Savants use spells in battle. She has a lot of dialogue with major NPCs (almost every "boss" encounter) as well. Nenio is a CC wizard, she can jack up her illusion DC in the 40's with some very easy to access items (and that's without uber. 3. I've played for 60 hours, and I've yet to finish one playthrough, the restartitis is real. The lawful paths he generally agrees with, same with the lich path, because the dead make for ideal soldiers in his books. Ember I really haven't used much. Greybor is a STR-based dual wielder, and because of it he pumps out a huge amount of damage in melee. Make nenio a potion brewer, mythic skill focus world, skill focus world, potion brewing, mythic potion brewing. Regill is a powerful tank/fighter. Everyone doing as much damage as possible means no one is using the support to actually make it work. This should be Nenio. This works for all spell schools. Ember - I like her, but her hexes lost effectiveness (relatively), and I would prefer someone with a more focused spell list. ) Wenduag will be interested in a strong Commander regardless of their gender. Wipe the Huntmasters (they deal huge damage so make sure anyone squishy is adequately prepared), then head inside the cavern. If you haven't finished the game, I'd suggest not reading anything further to avoid potential spoilers surronding Nenio. It won't let Nenio cast shield on herself for some reason, but so far all the other spells work great. Shahadem. One thing I would agree, is that main companion line has a lot of twf-people, but then again, twf is kinda very strong in the enviroment of wotr. They all have their own Classes and equipment they begin with. that means the enemy roll a 20d and add that to their save and if that result is. Romancing Arueshalae in WOTR. If you are using a ranged blast, deadly aim + water blast/composite blast will probably be better as a default, but if you start water, fire -> double water is the only way you are getting a composite blast at. 3 different checks in order to hit. The boy you saved from his wicked mother gives you a look that is both sad and mature beyond his years. Last edited by Stilgars; Dec 9, 2021 @ 2:46pm #3. It overhauls and expands character interactions throughout the game and includes new content for romance and friendship interaction. The poster above me is right on the money. 1 League Of The Inspirational Cart. Well, Greybor, being an assassin, only kills who he's hired to kill. Makes the fight trivial. Nenio is a strong illusion wizard. A subreddit for all things involving Pathfinder CRPG series made by Owlcat Games. Question about the Arena Healer. Spies Amidst Our Ranks. Romance in Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous is a feature that allows the player to interact with specific NPCs. She is the first companion to aid the player on their journey, eager to use her righteous might as a. you could make Nenio into an Alchemist. Every option outside "stuff it" will give you the key if you're on the romance path. With Wendy what you do is you put her in Slayer and focus on dual-wielding thrown weapons. A well built wizard makes sure enemies are flopping on their butt repeatedly from level 1. Anything strong enough to be worth spending time trying to debuff with level/stat drain etc was pretty much always immune (including some enemies that had no business being immune to that sort of thing). (Starting its quest. Red and white. Demonslayer is a better archetype and makes sense for the lovely succubus, and eldritch archer adds magic, weapon buffs, and ranged spellstrike for some extra ranged punch. There are so many GAMEBREAKING (!!) bugs to fix, this alone would make the game 172. I recommend carrying some powerful scrolls with you just in case you need them (more on that later). Lordbovin. It frankly weakens the main cast. Daeran is quite possibly one of the most interesting characters I've ever seen, and I think a big part of that is the fact that the game doesn't really tell you exactly why he acts the way he does. It counts towards mythic mage armor as casting it yourself. Which caster companions do you include in your normal party? I am currently on lvl 11 and at this level I think Nenio is more powerful because of lvl 6 spells and equipment (i. Frelock_. Always a solid choice. Talk to Daeran immediately. That doe snot happen in WOTR? Nope. The voice acting was, in most cases, very good in Kingmaker as well, and I think they built on it. Sorcerer is a better class for alignment flexibility but a sorcerer can't scribe scrolls. There is a trickster spell where you can give someone all 20s for 35. Just a simple alternate portrait of Nenio I made for personal use, thought I would upload it here in case anyone else wants to use it. getting the absolute most combat and mechanics value out of the character so it can be viable for Hard or Unfair difficulty). Join the Crusade against the demonic invasion and rise as a new hero wielding unimaginable powers in this classic CRPG. level 1. Return back to the Temple of Desna and agree to sing along with the three to gain the Mythic Path. . These, plus full caster levels plus more skill points than a full caster usually gets made for a cute prestige class that some people liked. I didn't think it was possible to make her more uninteresting, but it turns. Assuming you agree to find the succubus (recommended as it makes the final fight easier), take the southwest exit to Middle City (via the rooftop). Darean is a main healer and have high dex to make him a ray caster. To answer them correctly, we have created a guide that contains all the answers which will. 5 Ruleset of Dungeons and Dragons. TL;DR: so basically: lvl 1 woljif respec, rogue knife master / fighter checkboxed > finish the respec, rogue should show up, fighter should not. Lmaoboat • 2 yr. As for Camelia, she's strong in the early game and basically every run I do uses her for the first two. 2. Either way, bombs are rather useful in WotR because they aren't affected by spell resistance and have various applications suited for the enemies you face. Her family organized a gofundme campaign to help her, and you can donate using the link in the post or spread the word. Tailor Sep 8, 2021 @ 7:48pm. If you stack gathering power on one turn, you can make two attacks the next if you wanted. e. Party Role: Support and Damage, and that can be in qual measure or favoring one or the other depending on the build. But as he is, all he provides is damage, and he isn't even the best at that, so he just feels kinda worthless. Clerics who take Inori as their deity in Pathfinder can choose the Healing and Rune domains. As for the extra spell secret - if implemented in accordance with Pathfinder rules, you'd have one secret for any 1st level spell and another for any 2nd level spell - so nothing to really rock your world, there. 5 Ruleset of Dungeons and Dragons. Can also get augmented/whatever summon feats to make them stronger. Walk northeast until you find the commoners and the Arcana check. The games are similar to classic RPG games such as Baldur's Gate and Neverwinter Nights. Or you can take Ember, Nenio and mage MC as mage dps party, Sosiel and Sheelah for support. This mod adds new dialogue options for companions and NPCs. 1B. Tried to pursue Lann's romance once. Nenio has a better spell list, but just the buff spells are really useful. Focus on the Pharasmal Killer spell and later Weird. I did beat her twice on unfair using good old bonking just to see if I can make it work (first time it was solo wildland shaman. Daeran is the buffer/healer with a side focus on evocation spells, Wenduag is your machine gun, woljif is your arcane buffer with high sneak attack damage, Regill is your secondary DPS. 334359%. bag of tricks I was super surpriced of the level of this figth, in the end i cleared it on Core using summon squeletons to keep the boss busy (i used a scroll to transform nenio into a silver dragon for breath attacks (wich always hit) + Meta magic snowballs for touch attacks wich Devarra is pretty weak to) and ofc protection from fire, using all that the fight is not. I tried making Nenio a blaster caster, but I am not really convinced. Explanation. More Than Nothing is an extremely long quest, spanning most of the game and encompassing multiple dungeons and puzzles. Sreve Sep 17, 2021 @ 12:41pm. Theres no reason to make yourself weak. Yeah, there are other touch attacks like bombs and so on, but still Hellfire Ray feels OP in comparison, especially cause there are items in the game that enhance per die damage besides bloodline, secondbloodline and elemental focus. I was a ranger and party usually : Nenio, Arueshalae, Daeran, Ember or Regill. Nenio is the kind of person who would open Jurassic Park to see how many visitors would become victims a year. Companion Builds for Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous features the suggested builds for all possible companions in Pathfinder: WoTR. "Who are you?" "Mother named me Xorges. Go with what makes YOU feel comfortable. - Delamere : Similar to Aru but with a couple of useful immunities. This curious artifact, Pearl of Power, will appear in the 2. Means large groups of enemies will just be murdered. Weirdly, tends to make me like the characters a little less. In this video I break down everything needed to finish Nenio's questline More Than Nothing. So level up will be ~50% faster. It's always about getting as many tools as possible and then utilizing them in field. He is the best divine buffer and healer. 23. . The KK's attack is 1d6+4 with a +4 to hit modifier. Miskatonic. Camellia, being a serial killer, kills whoever she wants whenever she wants. You find the masks - which are actual items - that are required to solve the riddles on the statues in various places, which opens a large dungeon. Tailor Sep 8, 2021 @ 7:48pm. I know nothing about mounted combat but the idea behind this class is interesting to me. Companions assist the player by joining his/her party and have their own backstories and unique characteristics. If what you mean by the second sentence is that you can leave companions who will turn out to be very strong later game, such as Nenio and Daemon on the bench for the early game, using instead hybrid characters such as. e Draven's hat + Belt of demonic shadow; the latter is overpowered at this level, . Plus I suspect that owlcat didn't want to repeat kingmaker too much, so that is why they didn't give out obvious things like fighter or bard. Rotate the camera to make the rear building lower, then run north past it to meet Xarra and. I don't even understand why you worded your reply to me in such a way. After several months of hard work, I'm pleased to announce that I am releasing the Woljif Romance Mod on Github and NexusMods. Life comes in and makes something new of the mess left behind. The Glass Amulet of Clarity's description says it "adds +2 to the DC for all saving throws against mind-affecting abilities used by the wielder". DC caster - uses save-or-else spells, pumps spell DC, does not care in the slightest about attack rolls and point blank shot. I was hoping to use. The best part is that you can usually dispel all of those buffs with a single action through various dispel. Recruitment grows by +10%. " But the longer I play this game, and the more I find out about Nenio, the more I'm having. Oh well, at least he gives you Hedge Knights, which are OP as fuck, so he's not completely worthless. I got the mask after a speach check, and I kicked Nenio out of the party before I completed the quest. His lack of humility is pretty consistent. This guide will show you what you need to know about building a Nenio. Companions assist the player by joining his/her party and have their own backstories and unique characteristics. I have wanted to try her as a Loremaster but that prestige class had been broken the entire beta. Per page. Use the icy lands of Sithhud to your benefit and make your foes feel the chill of winter!That was my experience making a necromancer. The Wardstone Legacy walkthrough - Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous. It's really upsetting how unbalanced this game is for how good it is. That also had ea before wotr and is basically a continuation. Combat wise, woljiff and nenio are the only ones that are salvageable (dare i say good) without losing at least 1 level for no reason. ago. You can get the Scorpion Sting from the dead scorpion by passing a. #10. PATHFINDER: WOTR - The Best DEFENSIVE BUFFS Guide - AC to the MAX! by cRPG Bro. They all have their own Classes and starting equipment. At least Nenio is neutral and doesn't have a strong sense of moral superiority. P:WoTR features 15 unique Companions to recruit during your adventure. Hunter is an amazing class. The under. Best Subclass: Scroll Savant. Preface: Natural Attacks as weapons in Pathfinder WotR. My team includes Seelah, Sosiel, Ember, Arueshalae, my MC, and Daeran or Nenio. I hate the corruption mechanic (WOTR) Had to go back to the starting town for a companion quest and there was no way to get there and back to Drezen without getting level 3 corruption and taking massive hits to every stat, plus the party gets fatigued and needs to rest every four inches of travel or so. Scorching ray will hit for (4d6+7d6+5)*3 = 33d6+15. 2. r/Pathfinder_Kingmaker • 11 days ago. Again three things, symbol represent 3. Clerics who take Inori as their deity in Pathfinder can choose the Healing and Rune domains. Fire balls for days and 3000 dmg for a single round. Nenio is still better with phantasmal killer, even with its problems. Spreadsheet: Nenio is about wiping entire encounters with a single spell, Ember is more about ensuring bosses go down asap. e. To expand on this: this invisible feature is part of the mythic monster class progression that all mythic demons get, which gives them extra AC, BAB, HP, fortitude and reflex saves relative to their mythic level, one extra attack at full BAB (stackable with haste), aspect of coloxus feature and extra divine damage with each attack. Lann's primary behind the scenes variables are LannLovesMongrels and LannLovesMama. The blue parts relating somehow to the solution of each of the four puzzles. Greybor and Nenio do not have any strong opinion or judgement on any of the paths. In the dialogue immediately prior to combat, pick the Angelic Path. if I remember right, but none of them were implemented into WotR. Camelia Ember (Mostly healing spells while using hexes for offense) Nenio (Haste bot and whatever you like for 4th and 5th level spells - phantasmal killer ain't bad especially with the +1 will DC staff and the +2 illusion DC ring you can get before this. Gray Garrison. Back on D&D, my group used to call Loremaster the "ninja librarian" class, because by becoming one, you could learn "secrets" suchs as "+1 to attack rolls" or "+1 dodge bonus to AC". Even though I needed it for hellfire ray only, that spell alone was worth it.